maddipati1
11-19 11:09 PM
This scenarios is for those who used all 6 years on H1 and got H1 extension due to a pending AOS application. they may have EADs too..
Ron Gocher quotes:
"Again, to be clear, my point is that if your AOS is denied, you immediately lose all eligibility for post sixth year extensions of H status. All time spent in H status counts against the six year limit. If you burn up time in H status while you are waiting for an AOS adjudication, you may well make it impossible to go back into H status if your AOS is denied."
My interpret...
Rule 1 :
> The max limit for H1 is only 6 years.
> You can only extend H1 beyond 6 years if there is a pending AOS
this means if there is no pending AOS, u r not eligible for H1.
On thing is clear, if AOS denial is valid, then thats it, no more H1 (after 6yrs)
but surprisingly Ron doesnt use the same logic for EAD too.
> EAD is also given as a temp relief for those who has pending AOS
so if there is no pending AOS, no more EAD too.
he thinks EAD is valid even after AOS valid Denial.
THe BIG QUESTION is, If AOS is wrongly denied and MTR is open,
What is the status of the dude?
Is the status AOS, coz its been denied already...
But again, if the dude's out of status due to AOS denial,
how come CIS allow to file MTR? Coz they know the guy who is
filing MTR is out-of-status due to AOS denial :-)
Its like a software u tested a lot with all kind of scenarios,
but there is one scenario still not tested.
Like in software, the dudes who initially wrote the code and the dudes who initially spcified requirements, are long gone to a different jobs. and after a few years (5,10 etc), a new set of dudes trying to wonder why this scenarios is missed, coz the whole biz process is already changed totally.
so, the dudes who wrote these rules and regulations are long gone and retired. and there are hell lot of things changed afterwards like AC21 etc etc.
thats is why systems need to be re-evaluated in a regular basis.
can this shit be any more tangled.... :-)
Ron Gocher quotes:
"Again, to be clear, my point is that if your AOS is denied, you immediately lose all eligibility for post sixth year extensions of H status. All time spent in H status counts against the six year limit. If you burn up time in H status while you are waiting for an AOS adjudication, you may well make it impossible to go back into H status if your AOS is denied."
My interpret...
Rule 1 :
> The max limit for H1 is only 6 years.
> You can only extend H1 beyond 6 years if there is a pending AOS
this means if there is no pending AOS, u r not eligible for H1.
On thing is clear, if AOS denial is valid, then thats it, no more H1 (after 6yrs)
but surprisingly Ron doesnt use the same logic for EAD too.
> EAD is also given as a temp relief for those who has pending AOS
so if there is no pending AOS, no more EAD too.
he thinks EAD is valid even after AOS valid Denial.
THe BIG QUESTION is, If AOS is wrongly denied and MTR is open,
What is the status of the dude?
Is the status AOS, coz its been denied already...
But again, if the dude's out of status due to AOS denial,
how come CIS allow to file MTR? Coz they know the guy who is
filing MTR is out-of-status due to AOS denial :-)
Its like a software u tested a lot with all kind of scenarios,
but there is one scenario still not tested.
Like in software, the dudes who initially wrote the code and the dudes who initially spcified requirements, are long gone to a different jobs. and after a few years (5,10 etc), a new set of dudes trying to wonder why this scenarios is missed, coz the whole biz process is already changed totally.
so, the dudes who wrote these rules and regulations are long gone and retired. and there are hell lot of things changed afterwards like AC21 etc etc.
thats is why systems need to be re-evaluated in a regular basis.
can this shit be any more tangled.... :-)
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axp817
12-02 03:15 PM
So I had another set of soft LUDs on my approved 140, 485, approved EAD and approved AP today. This was the 4th LUD on my 485 and the 3rd LUD on the rest of the applications in the past week, and I was losing my mind worrying about receiving a denial or an RFE just before my trip abroad, leaving me with not enough time to respond to the RFE.
So I decided to call Customer Service, and after trying a million options on the voice prompt I finally managed to reach the Nebraska Service Center.
Upon inquiring about the LUDs with no status change, I was told that it was triggered due to the attorney name change and address change. My address that they had on file was also an old one, from 2 years ago. I have since moved, and done the online AR15 thing and received my EAD at the new address, so I'm not sure why/how the system showed the old address. But anyway, the lady on the phone was kind enough to change it to the new address. I didn't bother asking her if they had received the AC21 letter, I wasn't going to take the risk of having to argue with someone on the phone that switching employers is allowed under the AC21 law, etc. I was just happy to find out that the G28N had processed successfully and that I didn't have to expect a denial or RFE at least in the near future.
Apologies for the long post, but I thought that my tale might help someone that is getting anxious over a similar situation.
Thanks,
So I decided to call Customer Service, and after trying a million options on the voice prompt I finally managed to reach the Nebraska Service Center.
Upon inquiring about the LUDs with no status change, I was told that it was triggered due to the attorney name change and address change. My address that they had on file was also an old one, from 2 years ago. I have since moved, and done the online AR15 thing and received my EAD at the new address, so I'm not sure why/how the system showed the old address. But anyway, the lady on the phone was kind enough to change it to the new address. I didn't bother asking her if they had received the AC21 letter, I wasn't going to take the risk of having to argue with someone on the phone that switching employers is allowed under the AC21 law, etc. I was just happy to find out that the G28N had processed successfully and that I didn't have to expect a denial or RFE at least in the near future.
Apologies for the long post, but I thought that my tale might help someone that is getting anxious over a similar situation.
Thanks,
unseenguy
02-08 05:33 AM
If the girl is working and earning money, she has all the rights to spend the way she wants, including giving money to her parents. If she is not working, then help should be based only on humanitarian basis because we never know when one's financial situation changes. I can't understand how any girl can force her husband to spend for her parents and siblings especially when she is not earning.
Absolutely wrong. If husband and wife are filing a joint tax return, it is wrong on her part to send money to her parents without informing her husband. Leave the taxes, it was simply wrong on a wife's/husband's part to do ANY major money transaction without letting your other partner know. Its equivalent of cheating (just financial cheating). Do you think it is ok for a man to send money to his parents?
Absolutely wrong. If husband and wife are filing a joint tax return, it is wrong on her part to send money to her parents without informing her husband. Leave the taxes, it was simply wrong on a wife's/husband's part to do ANY major money transaction without letting your other partner know. Its equivalent of cheating (just financial cheating). Do you think it is ok for a man to send money to his parents?
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JazzByTheBay
09-10 09:01 PM
Then there's no point in being a member of IV.
When we've come together in an organized fashion, things have happened - although not as frequently and not to the exact extent that we've wanted.
If you believe nothing will change - perhaps it's time to move on and stop logging on to IV forums and worrying yourself silly about this.
If inaction and giving up is part of your nature, there's little help outside of therapy - no offense meant.
If we can continue to organize and keep working towards the goals, perhaps some headway can be made. Those who spearheaded such efforts knew it wasn't a sprint to the finish.
Question is...how much pushing would be needed when v very well know that whatever noise v make is never to be heard ???
When we've come together in an organized fashion, things have happened - although not as frequently and not to the exact extent that we've wanted.
If you believe nothing will change - perhaps it's time to move on and stop logging on to IV forums and worrying yourself silly about this.
If inaction and giving up is part of your nature, there's little help outside of therapy - no offense meant.
If we can continue to organize and keep working towards the goals, perhaps some headway can be made. Those who spearheaded such efforts knew it wasn't a sprint to the finish.
Question is...how much pushing would be needed when v very well know that whatever noise v make is never to be heard ???
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cjagtap
08-02 05:53 PM
please let me know if any TSC filer from 2 nd July got their receipts?
frostrated
08-12 01:10 PM
Not true. Whatever they can outsource, its already gone. There are certain position where the clients demand onsite resource. I am not supporting this bill in anyway, I hate infy as much as I hate this bill. Remember these companies did not leave any stone unturned, milked the client every possible way and expoilted the employees to the maximum extent. In one another post - VLDRao was saying these companies does the tax filing on behalf the emoloyee, get the refund and again claim that tax in india using double taxation aoivdance treaty.
My wife works in a company where a good number of IT folks are staffed by INFY. The poor quality of work made the company think about not extending INFY's contract. But then it came out in the open that there was no documentation on how the applications were built, etc. INFY got wind of this, and now they have positioned themselves in the organization where without them, this company's IT would collapse.
There are many such stories of outsourcing firms that are holding client companies hostage. Though I do not agree with the bill, I think the bill brings back some ethics into play. Especially the L1 loophole.
My wife works in a company where a good number of IT folks are staffed by INFY. The poor quality of work made the company think about not extending INFY's contract. But then it came out in the open that there was no documentation on how the applications were built, etc. INFY got wind of this, and now they have positioned themselves in the organization where without them, this company's IT would collapse.
There are many such stories of outsourcing firms that are holding client companies hostage. Though I do not agree with the bill, I think the bill brings back some ethics into play. Especially the L1 loophole.
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mbawa2574
07-06 02:25 AM
what is "something" you want to do?
wwbd? what would bawa do?
U need to change ur handle :-)
wwbd? what would bawa do?
U need to change ur handle :-)
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vinvin24
05-03 02:09 PM
If there is a template for fax and regular mail, we can get more people involved in this campaign. Thank you for your efforts.
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priti8888
06-26 01:51 PM
What is america losing?
Lets take a typical example:
My friend and his wife both have jobs here. They pay around $50K-60 income tax (approx) as a couple.
They have 10 yrs of exp. (approx) or have masters degree. They have a decent bit of 401K. And about 30 years of career left. They also have capital investment in India which is growing at a good pace.
Now if even one is forced to go back I am sure both of them will go back to India or wherever they are from. Makes sense?
So what are they losing by going back to India? Some $$$$. Thats all? No debt. no hassle, just semi retirement early enough.
Now think about 100 couples like this?
Now think about 1000 couples like this?
1000* 60 K = $60 million of taxes and social security lost. Who is going to pay the troops in Iraq? Or the USCIS dumbo? Will he have a job to do if we leave?
And if we leave who is going to pay the medical bills of the baby boomer who needs medicare soon?
Lets say, they replace us with younger workers. what will be their salary? 50K or 75K. lets say 80 K. Chances are they are single. If they are married. Will their wife work immediately. If no, they are collecting taxes from him at a married rate while his spouse has no income. If his wife is educated, how long will she want to live on H4? If she doesnt get H1 will they both go back or stay here endlessly? Chickens (americans).
How much tax will they will pay? If they are on F1 EAD, even better, they dont even pay social security.
Of course we lost $$$$ income, but we are not in so much deep shit as US would be if they lose 1000 couples, just 2000 people.
Now lets say we go to India and undergo semi retirement. Fine, US companies maintain competitive advantage and they gain most. But if we decide to continue to excel, can not such 2000 start a formidably competitive business? Who wins? India or USA? Or will they start multiple businesses?
Its about the numbers. If 1 or 2 dont get GC , it doesnt matter. But if thousands are impacted, most of them smart people, it will hurt someone here or many ones.
What have we really asked for in return? Just a piece of plastic that will let us live and contribute like everyone else here.
They have a problem with that too. Bloody morons.
For how many years this game of making people fools will continue? Message spreads fast. I am already telling my junior relative what to expect in America.
I totally agree with you, but think about this.
For every couple who plan to leave, there are 5 couples anxious to replace them. Do you know the % of visas approved vs visa applicants?.The 5 couples could be from anywhere, not just from india where the economy is in good shape.
My point is that America does lose when someone goes back.But the loss is on a very very micro level----and replacement is not that difficult.
Lets take a typical example:
My friend and his wife both have jobs here. They pay around $50K-60 income tax (approx) as a couple.
They have 10 yrs of exp. (approx) or have masters degree. They have a decent bit of 401K. And about 30 years of career left. They also have capital investment in India which is growing at a good pace.
Now if even one is forced to go back I am sure both of them will go back to India or wherever they are from. Makes sense?
So what are they losing by going back to India? Some $$$$. Thats all? No debt. no hassle, just semi retirement early enough.
Now think about 100 couples like this?
Now think about 1000 couples like this?
1000* 60 K = $60 million of taxes and social security lost. Who is going to pay the troops in Iraq? Or the USCIS dumbo? Will he have a job to do if we leave?
And if we leave who is going to pay the medical bills of the baby boomer who needs medicare soon?
Lets say, they replace us with younger workers. what will be their salary? 50K or 75K. lets say 80 K. Chances are they are single. If they are married. Will their wife work immediately. If no, they are collecting taxes from him at a married rate while his spouse has no income. If his wife is educated, how long will she want to live on H4? If she doesnt get H1 will they both go back or stay here endlessly? Chickens (americans).
How much tax will they will pay? If they are on F1 EAD, even better, they dont even pay social security.
Of course we lost $$$$ income, but we are not in so much deep shit as US would be if they lose 1000 couples, just 2000 people.
Now lets say we go to India and undergo semi retirement. Fine, US companies maintain competitive advantage and they gain most. But if we decide to continue to excel, can not such 2000 start a formidably competitive business? Who wins? India or USA? Or will they start multiple businesses?
Its about the numbers. If 1 or 2 dont get GC , it doesnt matter. But if thousands are impacted, most of them smart people, it will hurt someone here or many ones.
What have we really asked for in return? Just a piece of plastic that will let us live and contribute like everyone else here.
They have a problem with that too. Bloody morons.
For how many years this game of making people fools will continue? Message spreads fast. I am already telling my junior relative what to expect in America.
I totally agree with you, but think about this.
For every couple who plan to leave, there are 5 couples anxious to replace them. Do you know the % of visas approved vs visa applicants?.The 5 couples could be from anywhere, not just from india where the economy is in good shape.
My point is that America does lose when someone goes back.But the loss is on a very very micro level----and replacement is not that difficult.
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vaccine
09-11 09:13 AM
Count me in for $ 100 and I am coming to rally as well. See you all in DC
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chandsri81
04-27 06:53 AM
Thank you! I have sent them my I-140 and 485 and also past and present EADs to show that this is something that needs to be renewed every 2 years.
Keeping my fingers crossed now..
Keeping my fingers crossed now..
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eb3_nepa
07-16 12:47 AM
Common people just $150 short. Pacific time people. Please help. We need 30 good souls from the West coast :)
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JazzByTheBay
11-28 10:53 AM
You make a good point. However, since I have mentioned both EB and FB in the article, I think it is appropriate to include that it can in fact take 20 years to get the GC. The Senate bill does have provisions to ameliorate both EB and FB backlogs, as far as I remember.
Pankaj
Instead, one can say "... could take up to 20 years".
I am afraid, as we all are, that this certainly will be the case down the road with retrogression.
Perhaps it may be a good idea to mention that with economies of countries like India on an accelerated growth path, these highly educated, skilled and experienced professionals that are an asset to America are increasingly preferring to (or seriously thinking about) returning to their home countries.
Another scenario - 20-25 years down the road, America will no longer be a leader any more given the growth of India and China. To sustain the technological and economical leadership of America, it is critical that we act now and fix a broken immigration system, and grant those legally here for a number of years, with approved Green Card petitions the pride of actually becoming permanent residents and eventually citizens as quickly as possibly.
Jazz
Pankaj
Instead, one can say "... could take up to 20 years".
I am afraid, as we all are, that this certainly will be the case down the road with retrogression.
Perhaps it may be a good idea to mention that with economies of countries like India on an accelerated growth path, these highly educated, skilled and experienced professionals that are an asset to America are increasingly preferring to (or seriously thinking about) returning to their home countries.
Another scenario - 20-25 years down the road, America will no longer be a leader any more given the growth of India and China. To sustain the technological and economical leadership of America, it is critical that we act now and fix a broken immigration system, and grant those legally here for a number of years, with approved Green Card petitions the pride of actually becoming permanent residents and eventually citizens as quickly as possibly.
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09-12 02:13 AM
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ultimo
07-24 08:53 AM
thats sad .
but they will come with a new bill after 2008 election :)
but they will come with a new bill after 2008 election :)
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vayumahesh
02-04 08:35 AM
For AllvNeedGcPc,
Do I need to do anything to get it moving? How do I put a Service Request on 485? The online system to put an eRequest only lets you do it for N400 or I90.
It does not hurt to send a interfiling request letter from your attorney. You can raise a Service request (via phone) if it is outside of normal processing time (30 days past after being current).
:) Got greened on Jan 4th, 2011 (Refiled in EB2 and ported PD from EB3)
Do I need to do anything to get it moving? How do I put a Service Request on 485? The online system to put an eRequest only lets you do it for N400 or I90.
It does not hurt to send a interfiling request letter from your attorney. You can raise a Service request (via phone) if it is outside of normal processing time (30 days past after being current).
:) Got greened on Jan 4th, 2011 (Refiled in EB2 and ported PD from EB3)
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rvr_jcop
03-04 11:42 AM
Is your case at NSC? I have definitely noticed a pattern of pre-adjudcation activity from NSC for cases filed in July-August 2007.
I noticed that too, especially if the PD is 2003 or 2004, both EB2 and EB3.
I noticed that too, especially if the PD is 2003 or 2004, both EB2 and EB3.
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Jimi_Hendrix
08-10 06:01 PM
When can we expect these Op-eds to be published? Will you be posting some kind of update here to let us know?
villamonte6100
04-01 09:53 AM
Alright Guys, Let's ignore this Dard-e-disco guy he doesn't deserve a second of our time. To answer your question, one thing atleast USCIS can give us is, Release data like How many applications they have already received from Major Green Card Seeking countries and in which EB categories. All this data they would have entered in their computers, They can easily run these kind of reports, I'm sure they'll be having some Data Warehousing softwares. So atleast everybody of know where we stand today and stop predicting cut-off dates etc. etc.
They can also make sure they send our APs and EADs in less than 90 days....
Why ignore him? He's got a very valid point. You can't just abuse USCIS everytime your GC is delayed. Our GCs are delayed too.
IV is trying its best to help resolve this issue but that's all we can really do. We are aliens on a foreign land. If we don't like the way things are going here, we can always go back to our country. We are free to go.
Blaming USCIS will not help. Dura Lex Sed Lex (The law is hard, but it's the law).
They can also make sure they send our APs and EADs in less than 90 days....
Why ignore him? He's got a very valid point. You can't just abuse USCIS everytime your GC is delayed. Our GCs are delayed too.
IV is trying its best to help resolve this issue but that's all we can really do. We are aliens on a foreign land. If we don't like the way things are going here, we can always go back to our country. We are free to go.
Blaming USCIS will not help. Dura Lex Sed Lex (The law is hard, but it's the law).
mrdelhiite
06-21 01:50 PM
I am just hoping we do not mis the July Bus :cool:
Worrying not gona give us anything. Were u worried 3 months back when the PD was 2003 something ... if we are lucky we will get it this time if not we will get the PD next time. Have faith and don’t loose ur sleep over it.
-M
PS: not trying to offend you in any way. I am in same boat as u are my labor was filed on 23rd ... one month after a friend who filed in jan and already has his labor and I140 approved...
Worrying not gona give us anything. Were u worried 3 months back when the PD was 2003 something ... if we are lucky we will get it this time if not we will get the PD next time. Have faith and don’t loose ur sleep over it.
-M
PS: not trying to offend you in any way. I am in same boat as u are my labor was filed on 23rd ... one month after a friend who filed in jan and already has his labor and I140 approved...
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